The Future of CDHC 2008

By Mike McCue, CDHC Solutions editorial advisory board, and Regina Herzlinger, professor of business administration, Harvard Business School

We asked editorial advisory board member Mike McCue to have a conversation with Regina Herzlinger, frequently referred to as the “godmother of consumer-driven health care,” about some of the intricacies of CDHC and how the United States is progressing in this movement.
    An artificial debate appears to be occurring that our country cannot be both market-driven and ensure that all people have health care/insurance. Is it possible for health care to be a commodity, operating within our current version of capitalism, and yet be a basic right? You may think of basic rights on the same plane as drinking water, public education for older children, and the fire department, but Herzlinger’s version is more similar to auto insurance, FDIC and social security.

     Herzlinger, widely recognized for her early predictions of the unraveling of managed care, and the rise of consumer-driven health care and health care focused factories—two terms she coined—has been studying the business side of the US system as well as those of other countries. In the following interview she sheds some realistic light on many of the assumptions in the current national debate.

     Herzlinger is a best-selling health care author and the Nancy R. McPherson Professor of Business Administration Chair at the Harvard Business School. Her innovative research and analysis have made her one of the most sought after thought leaders in the health care field. Mike McCue has been covering the health care industry since 1993. During his tenure as director of marketing for a health care IT firm and throughout 10 years at the helm of Managed Healthcare Executive magazine, he has interviewed more than 80 health plan CEOs, government officials and academic thought leaders.

     In this annual Outlook issue, they shed some light on what is happening and how it affects large organizations as we enter 2008, as well as what could be happen throughout the year and in the future.

Mike McCue: What is the biggest development in the CDHC industry today?

Regina Herzlinger: The fact that Health and Human Services Secretary, Mike Leavitt will be traveling to Switzerland and Holland to better understand the way their systems work is the best thing that could be happening right now. If we were able to implement a system like theirs, it would allow for universal coverage while permitting businesses to get out of the onerous task of supplying health insurance to workers. Also, eventually it would enable the government to get out of  Medicaid and Medicare as well. 
     The bills being written in the Senate also are a huge development. They would enable us to adopt many of the principles of the Swiss and Dutch systems and give us a chance to emulate the success they’ve had.

MM: What are those countries doing that is so different than what we’re doing in the United States? Why are they having so much success?

RH: The Swiss and Dutch do a good job of shopping for health insurance because everyone is required by law to buy their own coverage. If people can’t afford to buy their own, the government gives them the money they need to go out and get it. Their universal model truly is consumer-driven—people, not employers, and not government, do the buying. 
     There are currently about 50 million people in the United States with no health care coverage, and the number grows every year. Meanwhile, every Swiss citizen has coverage—and their overall costs are about 40 percent lower than ours. Health care inflation in Switzerland from 1996 to 2003 was about 2.8 percent, while ours was 4.3 percent. The economic implications of that fact are staggering and not limited to the health care industry; the ever-increasing cost burden is damaging the ability of American businesses to be competitive in the global market severely. The automakers alone are at a severe competitive disadvantage based solely on the vast amount of money they spend on their employees’ health care coverage versus that spent by competitors such as the Japanese.

MM: How is it possible to compare our health care costs with those of a country like Switzerland?

RH: It’s a common misperception that the savings it achieves is the direct result of having a healthier and better-educated population, but that simply isn’t true. While the Swiss don’t struggle with obesity the way Americans do, they have their own challenges with higher rates of alcohol consumption, smoking and drug abuse [than we do]. In 2004, I wrote an article for the Journal of the American Medical Association that strips away many of those variables to allow more of an apples-to-apples comparison in terms of population; its costs were much lower than ours, even [when compared with] those states with demographic makeups similar to Switzerland. 
     It’s reasonable to assume that the savings it achieves are due to the effectiveness of its system, a fact that becomes more clear once you remove the variations in population. Much of the Swiss system’s success can be attributed to its cost transparency, the mandate of universal coverage, consumer purchasing, and risk adjustment by insurers. It probably could achieve even greater savings through liberalization of its provider coverage and reimbursement policies.

MM: Their costs might be lower, but is the quality of care as good?

RH: Lower costs don’t always mean the system is working better. Both the United Kingdom and Canada have much lower health care costs than we do, but one of the ways they achieve that is by stringently rationing health care services. The Swiss have virtually no waiting lists for services and tremendous capacity, but most importantly, they also have the highest rate of consumer satisfaction with their health care industry. When it’s done through a truly consumer-driven model, health care doesn’t get just cheaper; it gets cheaper and better.

     On the bright side, that’s the direction we are heading in the United States finally. If you enabled all Americans to go out and buy their own health insurance, would everyone suddenly have a wonderful experience? Obviously not. But will the average experience fundamentally improve in terms of quality of care, better provider information and lower costs? If the Swiss are any example, it’s a resounding yes.

MM: What things do we need to do to reach the point of a truly consumer-driven model?

RH: It’s a step in the right direction to let consumers make their own health care purchasing decisions, but it won’t help unless we also give them the information tools they need to make the right decisions. Currently, we have nothing. Consumers need to know about the quality of the providers they can choose from, but when government is making those kinds of judgments they are typically too politically charged to be effective.

     Hospitals and health insurers employ so many people that politicians and state agencies are afraid to upset them, so there is no real way to differentiate one doctor or hospital from another right now—and that means there’s no way to reward the ones who do the best job. Right now, comparative information on health care providers is useless.

     Health care needs an organization similar to the Securities and Exchange Commission. In a matter of minutes, I can find just about anything I might want to know about the history and performance of any publicly traded company. If you aren’t willing to provide that kind of fiscal transparency [about your company], you can’t trade your stock. The US public is not a placid crowd; if they need to shop for their health care, they are going to demand that they be given a way to determine the quality of the services they purchase.

MM: What role does technology play in enabling the consumer-driven model? Are health care IT companies doing their part?

RH: The IT industry has been derelict in this arena. If I took the burden upon myself and tried to create my own personal health record, I couldn’t do it because provider IT systems aren’t interoperable. Much of the information isn’t electronic, so even if there was a Quicken-like program I could download information into, that wouldn’t help because so much of the information only exists on paper.

     Not only have we failed to create a standard system that can consolidate information from all providers, there are hospitals whose own departments can’t communicate with each other. Intuit, Google and Microsoft offer portals where consumers can store their personal health records, but I can’t go around and collect all of the information about my health history from every provider I’ve ever seen—that would be a career in itself.

     But there are some companies doing interesting things. Allscripts and Cerner have physician practice and hospital management programs that can download information from clinical medical devices into a comprehensive medical record. They’re betting that they can compile the information into a integrated medical record that they can hand over to consumers. I think these companies have a better chance of success than the portals do, which expect consumers to do all the information gathering.

     One way or another, IT companies and providers need to quit squabbling about little things and just get the interoperability needed for all this done.

MM: What single barrier is the most important for the CDHC industry to overcome? If you could wave a magic wand and change just one thing, what would it be?

RH: I would enact the law that enables people to use tax-sheltered funds to buy their health insurance. Right now, many employers are paying to provide their workers a Mercedes Benz-level of health care when all the employee wants is a Toyota-level of coverage. If companies could give the amount they’re spending on health care directly to their workers, and allow them to purchase the amount of coverage they want in some sort of tax-sheltered way, it would be a quantum leap toward a more effective and efficient health care system.

     There are some encouraging developments going on right now in that direction. There is a Congressional coalition of Republicans and Democrats that might be able to get something done soon. Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) and Sen. Bob Bennett (R-UT) might seem like unlikely allies, with Utah being a very conservative state and Oregon a very liberal one, but Bennett is supporting Wyden’s Healthy Americans Act.

     It would create a hybrid public/private single-payer system that eliminates employer-based health care and gives the money to employees to purchase their own coverage. The government would oversee the plan, require all Americans to have health care insurance and subsidize payments for people up to 400 percent of the poverty level. It’s a positive step into what I believe is the right direction, and it is being emulated by many governors, Republican and Democrat alike, across the United States.

Dubbed “the godmother of consumer-driven health care” by Money magazine, Regina E. Herzlinger is one of the nation’s leading authorities on consumer-driven health care. Her research has been reported in numerous industry journals and business publications, she was profiled in The Economist (May 2007), writes numerous articles for publications such The Washington Post and Wall Street Journal, and has delivered key note addresses for many health insurance and business groups. Her latest book, Who Killed Health Care, is in the CEO Best Seller List. Herzlinger was the first woman tenured and chaired at Harvard Business School. She has served on the Scientific Advisory Group to the US Secretary of the Air Force and as a board member of many private and publicly-traded firms, mostly in the CDHC space, and often as chair of governance and audit subcommittees. In recognition of her work in non-profit accounting and control, she was named the first Chartered Institute of Management Accountants Visiting Professor at the University of Edinburgh.

Mike McCue is a freelance writer based in Cleveland, OH. He can be reached by email at mccue330@yahoo.com.

12 Comments »

  1. Comment by PJ May 14, 2008

    Thanks for bringing out this content online. It is awesome and I agree with everything discussed here. It seems like there is some light at the end of the tunnel. It is already long over-due and needs to be implemented ASAP.

    People, not insurance carriers or employers or Govt, must decide what they want based on cost and of course on the consultation with their doctors. If it is made possible, healthcare will be much cheaper and better in quality.

    How can we do it?
    1) Let employers fund the individuals’ HSAs tax free.
    2) Make the cost completely transparent. (At this time, quality of care can not be compared. The data held by the health-plans is of ‘trash’ quality; they are nothing but ‘manually tinkered’ data. It would take a few years to get some reasonable data on care quality.)
    3) Let the people decide on what kind of insurance they want from their HSAs. This is the only way we can control obesity and healthcare cost. Some may need only catastrophic coverage for a very low premium. For Medicaid recipients, let the Govt fund their HSA accounts; this will be more efficient than providing free healthcare.

    What would be the problem? Today, millions of people are involved in health-plans, insurance agents/brokers, third party administrators, etc. They are used to making lots of profit with inefficient service; they need to change. There will be lots of resistance.

    We need the ‘political will’ to implement this.

    PJ

  2. Comment by Mike Summers May 16, 2008

    The era of health-plans is over.

    When “people, not employers, and not government, do the buying”, any industry will be at its best in terms of efficiency. This is the only way, we can cut cost.

    We don’t need anymore discussion. Let the “people do the buying”.

    Let us make it happen NOW.

    Mike

  3. Comment by jfr May 16, 2008

    What’s keeping us from implementing this TODAY? I believe in order to transform our healthcare system, which desparately needs to be done NOW, we need involve the rank and file of America’s insureds (working people). I believe the key to this engagement are their employers. Our nation’s employer’s cry about how the high cost of healthcare impacts their P&L. Employers like to save money and if they can help their employee’s, it’s all the better.
    Employer’s need to demand that insurance companies make available to their employee’s the prices they have negotiated with the providers in the area. ( The emphasis on or concern about “quality” is a delay tactic by those in the ole guard system).

    I can understand why insurance companies don’t want to share their prices with other insurance companies. But how can they, in good conscious, not provide their own HDHP or CDHP customers, with the negotiated price THEY have with area providers? Is it right that THEY sell a HDHP and then make their high deductible customer go out and pay full market rates or to fend for themselves when THEY have already negotiated and established lower prices for the claims THEY pay providers. It’s ridiculous, that a premium paying customer of the insurance company, should have to pay any more for their healthcare services than THEY pay. Besides, by the customer paying the same low price THEY do, it actually extends their deductible delaying when THEY have to pay a claim on the insureds behalf.

    I simply want to know the price before my service, I want to choose where I have my service, and I want to do it at my convenience….cause I’m pay’n. This is by no means a total transformation of our healthcare system, but it is an attention getting start.

    JFR

  4. Comment by Herb Singh May 16, 2008

    I am a practicing urologist and have been attentive to the business side of the health care space. The only specialty in medicine where the total cost of care has dropped in total real dollar terms for the outsome is costmetic plastic surgery.
    Why? 1) because patients often pick there doctors on outcomes they can measure 2) The “out of pocket” cost is an excellent index of the total cost of the intervention.
    As a country we need to focus on creating comparable surrogates in the other health specialties.

  5. Comment by Frank May 16, 2008

    Imagine a scenario where we buy grocery without knowing the price and paid by the insurance or employer or Govt. All the shelves in the grocery stores would be empty all the time. It would be a nightmare.

    Exactly that’s what is happening in healthcare. It doesn’t require a rocket scientist to figure out the problem.

    People should pick the doctors; people should buy the service/procedure; people should buy insurance…..NO MORE PROBLEMS IN HEALTHCARE.

    What is holding up? It is simply the $$$$ (hundreds of millions) being spent every year by healthplans for LOBBYING. It can be overcome only by us…..by calling the politicians in this election year. PLEASE DO IT.

    Frank

  6. Comment by JFRock May 17, 2008

    Most plastic surgery is elective surgery, meaning the patient pays for it. They usually pay for it at the time of service. That means no filing forms with the insurance company, which lowers the physicians overhead cost. It has been my observation that physicians are not only being paid less by the payors insurance companies, they run into a hazzle about 40% of the time in submitting a claim to these payors
    (insurance companies). Currently the insurance giants are reducing your fee’s, delaying payment to you, and then running up your overhead with the “hazzle factor”.

    Have you seen the bottomlines of 8 out of 10 of this country’s healthcare system. Not only are they huge….they are tax exempt. Likewise have you seen the profits of our big insurance companies, again staggering. If anyone wants to know how to fund the 47 million uninsured, I have two good places to start.

    I wonder why America’s 600,000 physicians are sitting on the sideline watching America’s 6,000 hospitals continue to control and run up the tab of our healthcare system. Hospitals don’t vote and most don’t pay taxes, but they control the physicians……why?

    JFR

  7. Comment by Andy May 19, 2008

    Good doctors need to get paid more and bad doctors less. In the current system, there is no such thing called good/bad doctors.

    Unless people pick the doctors and people pay directly, there will be no difference between good and bad doctors. On other words, there is no such thing called ‘Healthcare Quality’ in the current system.

    Andy

  8. Comment by Nat May 19, 2008

    Do I have access to pay ‘usual and customary’ (of any sort) for all my healthcare? I am ready to pay directly from my pocket; I do not need insurance.
    If you go to a hospital without insurance, they bill you 10-20 times more than what insurance or Medicare pays.

    Make healthcare completely open to public…..means make the cost TRANSPARENT. Let the people decide whether they need insurance or prepared to pay directly or any combination thereof. Market will automatically evolve to meet their needs.

    Nat

  9. Comment by Jim Altvern May 21, 2008

    A dangerous trend is starting to take hold. Recently, two of my colleagues were laid off though they were considered exceptional. They had only one thing in common; their spouses had serious illness.

    My employer is a large one and self-insured. I am sure that the medical cost incurred by my employer for these 2 employees’ dependents was high in the last few months and it would have continued for some more time. There is no way one can prove that this is the reason for losing their job.

    Now, besides losing health insurance they lost their jobs as well. Also, their spouses will not get insurance coverage due to ‘pre-existing conditions’ while they need continued medical care. So, what could happen to these wonderful families. Probably, they would end up in personal bankruptcy and then in Medicaid.

    The questions is: what is the use of insurance. Medical care is not available when you need it. You lose your job as well.

    If you are healthy, you don’t need medical care; when you are sick, you don’t get it. Health-insurance is a fake arrangement for the carriers to make money.

    Abolish the current system and start from scratch.

    Jim Altvern

  10. Comment by Samuel Perkins May 22, 2008

    Almost all the large employers are ’self-insured’ and they get a monthly report from the health plans. Obviously, these employers do not want to spend tens of thousands of dollars every month on a very small number of employees. Easiest way to cut this cost is to let them go.

    This is not a new trend; it has been happening for years but now it has become a common practice.

    Basically, health insurance is for healthy people and not for sick ones. Why an insurance carrier should care about your health when they can get rid of you when you fall sick.

    Private health insurance can not and will not work. Nowhere in the world it is working.

    Sam

  11. Comment by Mitch Parker May 22, 2008

    Shut down health insurance companies. The problem is solved.

    Mitch

  12. Comment by John May 22, 2008

    Scared to see the comments here. I am insured. But it looks like it is not real. If any of my dependents fall sick, easily I will lose my insurance along with my job.
    Then what is the use of insurance. I don’t think anyone in this country can be safe even with excellent coverage. This so called coverage will vanish if you fall sick.
    Scary!!

    John

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